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Loren Seibold

Don't you think the pictures of mothers separated from children could be more impactful than the charges against them, which seem to me fairly thin? Already they seem to drown out the testimonies of the polygamist critics. There was an overreaching here that may backfire on the government, arousing sympathy for the polygamist group--which they don't deserve,either.

Harold Cunningham

Insightful post, Monte. Do we possess the courage and authentic vulnerability to examine the institution of Adventism utilizing the same piercing questions - slightly modified?
1. What is the proper use of power by a denomination that has enormous institutional authority?
2. How far do we(the institution of Adventism) go in protecting, for example, the rights of Adventist theological, sub-cultural, financial, or ministry-related minorities within Adventism?
3. What would be the outcome of a politicized Adventism...whether politicized within the institution or externally?
~Harold Cunningham
http://georgiagrown.blogspot.com/

Chris

Let me add graphic and sexist to my profile here. The grand questions posed is calling me to make a philosophical choice between a bikini and a burka outlook. My choice is easy!
The genius of the American idea as we move towards a more perfect union has been a beauty to behold. I am not naïve or unsuspicious of government and powerful religious institutions. However, only in America would I be at ease with the celebrative event between the most powerful world leader and the most powerful religious leader. My ease stems from several facts:
We have a healthy appreciation for the body of rule of law.
These laws have codified a civil morality that have built in protections and counter measures to the Balkanization impulse we see so evident in other communities.
There is no religious test imposed. When religious discrimination does take place, recourse is possible.
Now on some of the particulars mentioned. The pope is not only a religious leader. He is also a head of state. His engagement at the White House was more of a state visit than a pastoral visit. It was certainly different from his visit to the stadiums in DC and NY, and to the synagogue.
The LDS church and its political leaders that include Harry Reid has been rather silent on the polygamy issue. I just wonder if they are embarrassed as the Adventist church was with regards to the Davidians. I see this as a case of folks using their religion umbrella to cover their misdeeds. The outlawing of polygamy is based in solid evidence of community orderliness and health.
Finally, recent history has given us good evidence as to the consequence of politicizing our faith. Just ask the frustrated religious right who for several decades tried to use the instrument of government to redeem the culture. Until the Second Coming, heavenly hope and sin will continue to battle for our hearts. Let’s not lose hope.

Monte

Harold, I have no doubt that there are instances of misuse of power and politicization of religion within the Adventist community. But, the observation I was making about the institutional power of the Catholic Church relates to the larger national context, and in the U.S. the Adventist Church has very, very little power. It is largely invisible on the national stage and has virtually no political assets. (Two members of congress, each from a different party and entirely unable to get along.) I am afraid that Adventists have made no attempt whatsoever to make connections between the Church and political issues. For example, Adventist church growth is almost entirely dependent on immigration, but the majority of Adventist members continue to vote for lawmakers who would like to end immigration all together. We have internal political problems and one of them is the failure to understand the larger world of which we are a part. There is way too much narrow-minded thinking and a lack of larger perspective. That is one of the major causes of our internal abuses of power, etc., I think.

Chris, friends who work for the LDS leadership tell me that they are pursuing a strategy in the current FLDS situation that sounds very much like what the GC/NAD utilized during the Waco tragedy. You don't see them in the media because they are doing all they can to stay out of the news right now. They do not want to be associated in anyone's mind with the FLDS. I think they may literally be using our textbook.

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